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John
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 Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:00 am |
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this has been spoke about on here already but i thought id put this in here with a link to that petition.
you can also write to your local MEP with your feelings about the plans brussels are trying to force upon us
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/rsa-eu-proposal/
more info on article 47 can be found here http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5375688.ece
my personal feelings are that i have nothing against anglers bag limits, afterall the sea cant sustain greed and its no good anglers banging on about commercials then taking fish home for the sake of it, however, tons of fish are being dumped back into the sea dead every day because of the EUs quota system. i think before they think about bag limits on us (which are literally a drop in the ocean) they should deal with this discard issue first as this is the biggest threat to our seas stocks.
lets face it, as shore anglers bag limits wont affect us that much anyway. it will affect anglers on private and charter boats most but maybe 3 or 4 decent fish for the table is enough? i know id be happy catching fish just for the sport if ive got 3 or 4 decent fish to take home.
the worse thing isnt bag limits anyway, its the fact that they want to put commercial boats onto the quota system with the commercials, its very in depth and complicated but could spell the end of a lot of charter skippers and could also put private boats out of fishing.. they are even talking about including kayaks in on this !! dodgy stuff imo
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John
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| Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:06 pm |
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just wrote an email to peter skinner who is the mep for the south east.
Dear Mr Skinner,
I am writing to you on behalf of The Medway & Thames Sea Angling Club about the EUs Article 47.
As a recreational angler of many years who enjoys fishing from the beach, I would like to make it known that my membership is opposed to article 47 of the EU common fisheries policy control regulations which links recreational fisheries to commercial catches.
My members will be writing to you in due course over this matter.
i look forward to your reply on this matter.
many thanks
John Hills
i would urge our membership to write a similar email to your local mep over this matter, just copy and paste something along these lines...
As a recreational angler of many years who enjoys fishing from the beach, I would like to make it known that my membership is opposed to article 47 of the EU common fisheries policy control regulations which links recreational fisheries to commercial catches.
i have also had an email from the nfsa urging people to sign the online petition which has 744 sigs now!
imho we need to show our disgust over this matter so the more we kick up the better.
according to leon in france people fish with nets to feed their familys etc, the commercial sector over there dont like this practice as it leaves less fish for them to catch and also cuts the market as these people aint buying there fish so this is the EUs way of dealing with it. the trouble is these netters are known as recreational fishermen so are litterally lumped in with us rod and line anglers. we basically need to be seperated from these fishermen and recognised as ANGLERS.
i would like to point out that as a conservationist i have nothing against bag limits but i also accept that not everyone shares this view. for us to be included on the commercial quota is ridiculous as a way of conserving fish stocks, even more so when tons of dead fish are being dumped everyday due to the EUs quota system, maybe if this was dealt with there would be no need for bag limits? just my opinion
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John
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Location: Gravesend |
| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:22 pm |
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Posted on WSF
Brussels, Thursday 22nd of January 2009
Sea Angling has no part in CFP Compliance says Avril Doyle
Speaking after yesterdays meeting of the European Parliament's Fisheries Committee Avril Doyle MEP for Ireland East and Vice Chair of the Committee said that the prospects for the controversial Article 47 (of the draft proposal on the Community Control system for ensuring compliance with the rules of the Common Fisheries Policy) concerning the inclusion Recreational Fisheries surviving in its current state are slim to none. The level of concern expressed from colleagues as well as constituents not only in Ireland, but in Scotland and the rest of Europe has meant that the Rapporteur, Mr. Romera I Rueda, has agreed to revisit this Article.
"The CFP control and compliance system needs reform, with priority on need for equivalence of controls and the harmonising of sanctions across the EU, as well as on the proportionality of responses to infringements as recommended by the European Court of Auditors. The Commission provided examples of fines for the same infringements in different EU Member States which astoundingly ranged from 100 to 6, 000 Euros. This is completely unacceptable.
I will be proposing an amendment to delete Article 47 from the report to remove recreational sea fisheries from the scope of the controls. There is good support in the Committee for this move. While it currently would cover off shore sea angling and fish stocks under Recovery Plans, (Blue Fin Tuna and Cod Stocks) we need to establish a record of even handed EU wide compliance before extending
the scope of the Common Fisheries Policy to recreational activities. Article 47 is unworkable and scientifically unjustified as in the main, recreational anglers have a record as conservationists by nature and have a record of cooperating fully with the management of any vulnerable stocks. However the Council of Ministers will have the final say."
Avril Doyle
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biggest so far.. 2.5lb lsd
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John
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:27 pm |
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Leon Roskilly
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:51 pm |
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| John wrote: | | many people are having a pop about the newly formed AT but personally i cant see why? |
Anyone (or any organization) that sticks its head above the parapet is a target for whingers, moaners and saddos.
It's what they do! |
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John
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:56 pm |
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lol i guess your right! there does seem to be a fair few of them though, i think its infectious !!
maybe they are too tight to put their hand in their pocket?
ill be joining personally as well as with the club, decided to give them my full support. the more i read about them the better i think they will be for us. they are going to be very big on club and youth development so matsac could benefit from it.
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species 2009 29 whiting, 33 dab, 6x3b rockling, 1x 5b rockling 1 codling, 6 pouting, 2 LSD, 2 Bass
biggest so far.. 2.5lb lsd
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John
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| Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:33 pm |
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leon, ive read that this article 47 was known about all over europe for a fair few months now so how come weve only just heard about it over here since about november? were the sacn, nfsa aware of it? only reason im asking is many people are using it to discredit yourself and richard (you know who im on about, like they need a reason! )
i dont recall any emails on it so im guessing you wasnt aware of it?
also at the time there was nothing on the NFSA forum.
talking of which will it be opened again? (the forum)
its being banded about that because sacn and nfsa were calling for anglers recognition in the CFP that this was the root cause of article 47?
i believed the cause of article 47 were french/spanish commercials wanting artisan fishermen restricted with their nets and bought into line with them?
the problem how i read it is the EU saw artisan fishermen the same as rod and line fishermen and this is what we (over here) are fighting against being included with?
so can you shed some light on the above points for us in here please leon, im fed up with the negativity and bias posting on the other place, everytime i ask a question all i get is the 'usual' crowd coming on and giving it the rep this and rep that stuff! 
i know theres more to it than that but all they want to do is discredit!
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species 2009 29 whiting, 33 dab, 6x3b rockling, 1x 5b rockling 1 codling, 6 pouting, 2 LSD, 2 Bass
biggest so far.. 2.5lb lsd
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John
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:49 pm |
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10 Feb 09 - From a speech today by Jo Borg Member of the European Commission - Responsible for Fisheries and Maritime Affairs
Before I come to the end of my intervention let me say a few words about our proposal to reform the way we control fisheries activities in the future.
The most famous words contained in our proposal must be the words "recreational fishing". In some Member States our proposals in this regard have been misinterpreted alarming citizens that the Commission wants to start controlling millions of hobby anglers and impose quota restrictions on them. This would obviously be a crazy thing to do, and it is therefore not at all our intention to implement such a ludicrous system. Let me make clear once and for all that the hobby angler who catches a few kilos of fish every time he goes out fishing and uses it for his private consumption, will not be covered by the control regulation, even if he catches fish like cod which is under a recovery plan.
There are however facts and figures in abundance that show that certain forms of so called recreational fishing have a dangerously considerable impact on certain vulnerable fish stock. We cannot just keep restricting severely professional fishing on those stocks but give the recreational fishermen a free ride. They have to contribute as well to the conservation effort. It is with this balance in mind that the Commission will approach the issue in the context of negotiations.
We look forward to working with you on this question, on the whole control regulation and of course also on the reform of our policy. In any event, I know that we at the Commission can always rely on the Parliament to stimulate and support us in improving the lot of Europe's citizens.
who catches a few kilos every time they go out fishing?? 
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Abu-utely fab
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| Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:15 am |
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Lucky to catch a few gramms
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John
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:23 am |
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No quota on recreational anglers
Friday, 06 February 2009
Speaking yesterday in Brussels, the Commissioner for Maritime Affairs, Joe Borg has made the following statement on recent proposals on recreational angling. "The Commission has made no proposals to submit all recreational anglers to quotas like commercial fishermen. Let me make one thing clear, our proposal has been completely blown out of proportion by some people during the last weeks. We have proposed a framework proposal to look again at how EU fisheries should be controlled in the future. This includes a proposal to cover some recreational fisheries in the new control rules.
These concern recreational anglers on board vessels in the open sea who take fish, which are under multi-annual plans, because they are threatened by extinction. To give you some examples only: these are cod, hake and bluefin tuna in various parts of the EU seas.
Anglers who catch fish like for instance sea bass, whiting, salmon, mackerel, sea trout, pike, perch, pike-perch… are not concerned by these proposals. Neither is the angler who fishes from the pier or the beach or on a lake.
What people do not know is that in some cases recreational fishing actually takes a lot of fish out of the sea. We have examples from the cod fishery in the Baltic Sea where recreational fishermen take the equivalent of 50% of Germany's national cod quota.
In Italy, catches equivalent to over 20% of Italy's bluefin tuna quota are taken by recreational fishermen.
And as these catches are not registered anywhere they are not accounted for. Scientists and managers need to have the full picture when assessing how much fish there is in the sea so that the right decisions are taken on how to set catch limits etc. For the threatened fish stocks it is of course even more important.
Just imagine what would happen to these fish stocks if we don't count these catches against the national quota. It simply means that more fish will be taken from the sea than the biologists advise us is safe and in a few years the fish will disappear from our seas to the detriment of anglers and of professional fishermen.
I also believe that we cannot impose ever more restrictions on professional fishermen, while the recreational fishing industry in some cases catches important quantities of fish threatened by collapse. It is only right that the recreational fishing industry contribute to the efforts undertaken by professional fishermen to bring these fish back to healthy levels.
Some Member States have already put national rules in place for anglers which even go beyond what we are proposing. To give you an example in Northern France an angler can only catch 10 kg of cod during each fishing trip; if he catches more he is fined under national law. In Belgium an angler is limited to 15 kg of cod per fishing trip. These are rules that both France and Belgium have put in place nationally.
It is not the intention of the Commission that an angler who goes out in his rowing boat on a Saturday and brings back two cod will be heavily controlled.
Anybody who claims this is simply not telling the truth. Only those recreational fisheries that have a big impact on the fish under a multi annual plan should be covered by the rules.
Therefore we will examine this on a case by case basis and we will make easy to implement and realistic proposals. My services are already working together with the angler associations and the Member States to find proportionate and realistic rules that work for everyone's benefit."
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species 2009 29 whiting, 33 dab, 6x3b rockling, 1x 5b rockling 1 codling, 6 pouting, 2 LSD, 2 Bass
biggest so far.. 2.5lb lsd
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John
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| Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:35 am |
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all in all it sounds good news from joe borg, however the highlighted bit is my only concern. in france he mentions any angler catching over his quota gets fined by national law? does this mean that once you reach your quota then by law you must pack up and finish fishing?
i also notice that joe borg never mentions c&r fishing, is this to keep the greens at bay?
answers on the back of a postage stamp please 
anyway, other than a couple of nitty grittys its all looking pretty good, once the doom n gloom people get hold of this statement they will tear it to shreds, quoting, multiquoting and put everything out of context but personally i think it is how it is. we will still be fishing in ten years from now but in a more conservation minded way 
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species 2009 29 whiting, 33 dab, 6x3b rockling, 1x 5b rockling 1 codling, 6 pouting, 2 LSD, 2 Bass
biggest so far.. 2.5lb lsd
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merris999
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 11:41 pm |
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merris999
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:39 am |
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some on Sea.org posted saying Article 47 admendments and reclassifcation of recreational angers has been published, but the link dont owrk and searching EU Parliment sitedont bring anything up. form what has been posted, we have a 2-3 year repeive to see if we as shore anglers needed to be included on the quota of stocks that have been impacted.
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Leon Roskilly
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:57 am |
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Leon Roskilly
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:22 pm |
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Abu-utely fab
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| Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:31 am |
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Backing at last from on high,but for how long, untill they need something to bargain with on another issue with Brussels, sorry but i still cant get myself to trust a thing they say, lets hope i,m wrong, at least they say they,re listening to what the angling trusts are saying, lets all hope they are, thanks for the report Leon.
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Leon Roskilly
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:00 pm |
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